tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post2677847089968993245..comments2024-03-19T11:28:58.168-04:00Comments on History Unfolding: Call it "Nationalism"David Kaiserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05020082243968071584noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-41553345506875820102009-06-04T16:48:49.509-04:002009-06-04T16:48:49.509-04:00Wow! Anonymous is such a perfect example of the n...Wow! Anonymous is such a perfect example of the nationalist described in George Orwell's essay, it's uncanny.<br /><br />Unfortunately, I know some real life examples of him.Prior Friarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02973111769526792186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-35111993727308579282009-05-31T11:08:49.447-04:002009-05-31T11:08:49.447-04:00I'd really like to know who the author of this...I'd really like to know who the author of this email belongs to because despite Kaiser's 'not me, not me' regarding authorship, the History Unfolding is an apt description of reality of what we're facing today. Kaiser likes to point everyone at some so-called 'Nationalist' only in this case someone on the right, when in fact it was Limbaugh, Hannity and others who chastised Bush repeatedly about the rising debt contrary to what Kaiser claims. An inconvenient truth. Bush could be considered stingy in comparison to Obama & the Democrats drunken sailor tax and spend policies that are taking us into oblivion. Furthermore the true 'Nationalist' here is as it states in "History Unfolding" is 'The One' who is advocating the very actions that are happening. To deny they are happening is burying your head in the sand. 'The One' and the democrat party are obviously abusing their power, trampling on the Constitution, nominating a racist to the high court, advocating failed socialized medicine, etc. when this nation is already in a hole unlikely to ever get out from. History unfolding? You better believe it despite Kaiser's denial. It's repeating itself and whether 'The One' is today's Hitler or not; he could be worse and I for one value my freedom and liberty where he and many in the comment section apparently do not or are so blind to what is happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-1813248448945371112009-05-28T11:52:25.168-04:002009-05-28T11:52:25.168-04:00It is so nice and tidy to simply refer to Rush Lim...It is so nice and tidy to simply refer to Rush Limbaugh as a racist and a bigot. This makes it simple to dismiss him, anything he says and the 20 million or so listeners who tune in to his radio show each week. Case closed. You even provide a link which purports to "document" his supposed bigotry, and read at face value certainly seems to show a very bigoted and inflammatory viewpoint. But every text has a context and in the link none are provided. Using similar methods I could make the case that Rush is the Antichrist if that were my goal. <br /><br />Rush uses irony, satire, hyperbole and absurdity to make points about that which is absurd. Without a context this provides a wealth of possible "documentation" to support a case against him or a website of condemnation. Rush has frequently told his audience to listen for at least a week in order to begin to understand how he conducts his show. I wonder if Dr. Kaiser has ever tuned in.<br /><br />Your comment about Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Fox News, et al, being "big business" is, of course done in a pejorative sense, implying a motive of greed that panders to those who fall within your definition of "nationalism". Again very tidy and dismissive. But perhaps you should step back a little and ask why it is that they have such large audiences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-24568107358018655982009-05-23T12:51:15.125-04:002009-05-23T12:51:15.125-04:00Debate like propaganda, is, fortunately or not, an...Debate like propaganda, is, fortunately or not, an exercise in persuasion, wit, and rhetoric, not just logic. If propaganda were based on logic alone anyone who read this mis-attributed article would have researched its author and quickly discovered a clever Argumentum ad verecundiam (argument or appeal to or by authority). We see much of this tomfoolery on the web these days. Permissum lector caveo (let the reader beware).John Valliereshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04561100888420171640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-33779814161912397862009-05-23T12:50:45.466-04:002009-05-23T12:50:45.466-04:00Debate like propaganda, is, fortunately or not, an...Debate like propaganda, is, fortunately or not, an exercise in persuasion, wit, and rhetoric, not just logic. If propaganda were based on logic alone anyone who read this mis-attributed article would have researched its author and quickly discovered a clever Argumentum ad verecundiam (argument or appeal to or by authority). We see much of this tomfoolery on the web these days. Permissum lector caveo (let the reader beware).John Valliereshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04561100888420171640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-10172429657599490812009-05-21T18:04:07.811-04:002009-05-21T18:04:07.811-04:00Look at the bright side, Dr. Kaiser. If you ever d...Look at the bright side, Dr. Kaiser. If you ever decide to get a second doctorate in abnormal psychology...Antiquated Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727187247287268014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-21618523739886910082009-05-21T11:19:48.896-04:002009-05-21T11:19:48.896-04:00SEPARATION OF RAUNCH AND STATE !
(It's still...SEPARATION OF RAUNCH AND STATE !<br /><br /> (It's still legal - and always God-honoring - to air messages like the following. See Ezekiel 3:18-19. In light of government backing of raunchy behavior (such offenders were even executed in early America!), maybe the separation we really need is the "separation of raunch and state"!)<br /><br />In Luke 17 in the New Testament, Jesus said that one of the big "signs" that will happen shortly before His return to earth as Judge will be a repeat of the "days of Lot" (see Genesis 19 for details). So gays are actually helping to fulfill this same worldwide "sign" (and making the Bible even more believable!) and thus hurrying up the return of the Judge! They are accomplishing what many preachers haven't accomplished! Gays couldn't have accomplished this by just coming out of closets into bedrooms. Instead, they invented new architecture - you know, closets opening on to Main Streets where little kids would be able to watch naked men having sex with each other at festivals in places like San Francisco (where their underground saint - San Andreas - may soon get a big jolt out of what's going on over his head!). Thanks, gays, for figuring out how to bring back our resurrected Saviour even quicker!<br /> <br /> [If you would care to learn about the depraved human "pigpen" that regularly occurs in Nancy Pelosi's district in California, Google "Zombietime" and click on "Up Your Alley Fair" in the left column. And to think - horrors - that she is only two levels away from being President!]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-10084066453089535372009-05-18T10:48:00.000-04:002009-05-18T10:48:00.000-04:00Sorry, George, allow me to restate something in my...Sorry, George, allow me to restate something in my previous post.<br />George is providing a link to commentary regarding the erroneously attributed Obama-Hitler email. This linked commentary addresses the issue of posting unsubstantiated info via the internet and having it believed and passed on by thousands. The internet has potentially become the medium by which anyone with an axe to grind can become a journalist.ginstonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831481549259081579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-23854149458126541012009-05-18T10:28:00.000-04:002009-05-18T10:28:00.000-04:00to anonymous:
Perhaps you don't understand, but Ge...to anonymous:<br />Perhaps you don't understand, but George is again directing you to a website which erroneously attributes a statement to David Kaiser - the poster of this blog.<br />Also I believe the subject matter of this post refers to an essay by Orwell, not his novel. Do you also consider the essays of Emerson or Thoreau to be baseless drivel?ginstonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16831481549259081579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-28709353420842361262009-05-18T09:15:00.000-04:002009-05-18T09:15:00.000-04:00Yes, I agree with George: Don't believe everything...Yes, I agree with George: Don't believe everything you read online....including this baseless drivel of pure opinion based largely upon a popular fiction with as much basis for belief as its most popular counterparts on the shelf at any off campus used bookstore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-19978132253670886782009-05-17T23:20:00.000-04:002009-05-17T23:20:00.000-04:00http://www.pennlive.com/editorials/index.ssf/2009/...http://www.pennlive.com/editorials/index.ssf/2009/05/dont_believe_everything_you_re.html<br />Don't believe everything you read online<br /><br /><br /><br />by Dale Davenport <br /><br />Saturday May 16, 2009, 2:04 AM<br /><br /><br /><br />If you' re like me -- and I'll bet you are in this respect -- you have friends who forward you e-mails that are circulating on the Internet. <br />It might be a joke or something about a funny incident, perhaps a link to YouTube. For those of us of a certain age, there's lots of nostalgia, almost always concluding that we grew up in better times. <br /><br />And, of course, there's political commentary. Political and social commentary is a staple of this kind of mass communication -- and mass community. Thousands upon thousands of us -- perhaps millions -- are linked in this national and sometimes international discussion. <br /><br />What I see tends to lean right, but I'm sure there's just as much leftist stuff floating around, and some of the commentary defies labeling. <br /><br />And some of it -- perhaps a lot of it -- is bogus. <br /><br />One landed in my e-mail in-box Wednesday slugged "History in the Making." It began: "This is enlightening. Lest you think it was written by some right-wing kook, David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball." read more use link above connects to original pageGeorge Buddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567769949113869344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-28238456656773968702009-05-17T17:59:00.000-04:002009-05-17T17:59:00.000-04:00I think there's a reverse side to the nationalist ...I think there's a reverse side to the nationalist tendency to see all history as a string of glorious victories regardless of empirically evident defeats, and that is the tendency to see oneself as hapless victims of external threats and internal betrayal, again against any empirical evidence to the contrary. One example of course is post-WWI Germany, as you quoted from von Bulow. Another these days is the <I>frisson</I> of fear among the Right that the Caliphate is inexorably taking over Europe, despite not actually existing, despite not actually having even a proposed form or leadership, despite population demographic maths not at all working the way the fear mongers think they do, etc, etc, etc.Antiquated Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08727187247287268014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-2113508064307672582009-05-17T17:39:00.000-04:002009-05-17T17:39:00.000-04:00I appreciate your including the comments of wester...I appreciate your including the comments of western hating pacifist. It would be interesting to try to parse 'nationalism' and 'patriotism'... as elements of both of these is what inspire one to die for their cause. I'm sure you appreciate, as we all do, someone dying to make us all more secure.. if we can trust these precious lives are being sacrificed effectively.cbaines, Shreveport, La.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-39454825724329452242009-05-16T18:22:00.000-04:002009-05-16T18:22:00.000-04:00I have often been perplexed that so many historian...I have often been perplexed that so many historians have referred to life long ideological communists such as Ho Chi Minh as Nationalists when Ho Chi Minh himself viewed nationalists as reactionaries and a threat to the state .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-76346293896799883632009-05-16T15:30:00.000-04:002009-05-16T15:30:00.000-04:00I thought you might be interested to know that las...I thought you might be interested to know that last night I heard the bow-tied Peter Morici, Univ of Maryland School of Business, compare Obama to Hitler on Larry Kudlow's show. I almost fell over.Nur-al-Cubiclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240215262850274264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-23245827604390026842009-05-16T08:37:00.000-04:002009-05-16T08:37:00.000-04:00And Nationalism, as described here, sound so much ...And Nationalism, as described here, sound so much like sports fandom I can just see the guys in the bleachers or the British soccer hooligans with their books of statistics on their team's wins and losses and their impassioned letters to the editor about the sports media not treating them fairly. <br /><br />Only these guys are playing with real weapons.<br /><br />Why don't we give them an arena to do their thing in, sell T-shirts, and sell tickets?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8746692.post-75153376369665720612009-05-15T23:25:00.000-04:002009-05-15T23:25:00.000-04:00Wow! You really explained it very well. I have b...Wow! You really explained it very well. I have been so perplexed with this issue I have been seeing. As I have become more aware of politics over the past few years I have noticed that people tend to ignore the facts and take snippets of conversations, turning them around to be in their favor. Now I understand why, it's nationalism.<br /><br />-KAhi Ānelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07058139902183916355noreply@blogger.com